Perch "The Thoughtful Pause Podcast"
The concept of Perch is simple yet profound. It represents more than just a moment of stillness; it embodies a philosophy of life. Perch stands for Pause, Evaluate, Responses to Circumvent, Harm. It’s a call to rise above the noise and seek higher ground to gain a clearer view of the world around us. When we Perch, we create space to see the bigger picture, understand different perspectives, and make decisions that reflect our highest values.
Navigating complexities with empathy is one of the most significant challenges we face today, and it is the ability to understand and empathize with those who hold different views. Our experiences and backgrounds deeply influence our beliefs and the environments we are exposed to. Where you sit determines what you see, and what you see determines what you do. When we Perch, we acknowledge this truth and strive to see the world through the lens of others.
Perch "The Thoughtful Pause Podcast"
Navigating Life's Rough Seas: Support and Sharing with Dr. Kristin Wild
Let's journey into the mind with the brilliant Dr. Kristin Wild. This award-winning holistic health educator, entrepreneur, and speaker knows a thing or two about the human psyche and the profound effects social isolation can have on our health. In our engaging conversation, we explore the ever-pervasive issue of loneliness, and how the pandemic has shifted perspectives on this topic. We navigate the complicated terrain of chronic mental and physical health conditions, discussing the potential benefits of professional help and grounding techniques.
Ever wonder how the constant distractions of our modern world impact your mental health? Look no further, as we dissect the intricacies of our brain-body connection. You'll discover how to tame that primal animal brain of yours, and learn the importance of staying connected to something greater than yourself. The complexities of chronic illnesses, both physical and mental, are revealed as we delve deep into the heart of the matter. We discuss the power of transforming this downward spiral into an uplifting journey of healing and self-discovery.
Finally, we're shedding light on that all-important mind-body connection. Find out how significant diet, rest, and relaxation are when it comes to your overall health and how you can flip the body's stress response into a state of relaxation. From meditation to exercise, we talk about the tools at your disposal to help detoxify your body and optimize its function. We wrap up this enlightening episode with a heartfelt message on the value of sharing our stories and seeking support. Remember, no one has to navigate the rough seas of life alone - there's always a safe harbor waiting for you. So tune in, let's start this journey together.
Let's all keep searching to expand our view!
Wonderful good day, perch people. This is like every day above ground is always a great day, but this is a topic that I've been wanting to take on from day one. So I'm really excited about this, and our topic for today is is it really necessary Now I'll leave the introduction to my partner in life and crime and everything else, toby to bring our guest out, but before we get that, I just want to give you a little more insight to why this is such a big, big, big big deal for me. The topic I want to it's a heavy topic. We're going to try to keep it as light as possible. This is at the core of a lot of things, I believe, and what it's about is what I want to present is it's about life necessity.
Speaker 1:So, like everything that Perch does, we're going to discuss a topic and then look at it in a different light. So the light we're going to look at today and the stance we're going to take is our basic necessities. So in life, we all know our basic necessities, which we may be unaware that they've added an additional necessity Hockey. No, that's your. Whatever. The life necessities are food, clothes, shelter, and recently healthcare was added to necessity. So we'll get into that, but I want to pose a question. What if you know our mental health was a necessity? Would our approach be different? So that's a little teaser. I'm going to stop and kick it over to Toby to introduce our guest.
Speaker 2:I really thought it was Hockey.
Speaker 1:Good day. No, it's not Okay.
Speaker 2:Well through the technology of Zoom. We're blessed today to be joined by Dr Kristen Wilde, a PhD. Dr Kristen Wilde is an award-winning holistic health educator, entrepreneur and speaker. She holds a PhD in metaphysics.
Speaker 1:You can't even say it, it's so big.
Speaker 2:Hey, it's more than two syllables, but I know it's a big word in scrabble, especially if you can get double vowel scores and diploma in applied psychology. She's the creator of the therapy modality called awareness therapy and founder of modern health solution. She's best known for helping people navigate chronic physical and mental health conditions and her work in helping women and children escape and heal from domestic abuse. Kristen joins us today from Kelowna in Canada, which is too many people a part of the United States, but we're going to find out today. It's not Okay, it's a little bit north, but Canada in many cases, as we talk about mental health, has done things differently and hopefully we can share some of that information and sharing. So, kristen, welcome, it's great to have you on the podcast today.
Speaker 3:Oh, thank you so much for having me here. I feel like this is going to be a very interesting conversation.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine it won't be so, but we're going to warn our listeners, or our watchers more than anything, that Kristen has about 642 plants and almost that many hats, so if there's a feline invasion, don't be alarmed, you won't break out. Everything should be fine. So with that I'm going to throw it over to Tricia and she'll tee up our first topic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so again, thank you, and I appreciate it. Let's go back to the point you just made. Interesting topic with three different angles, like everything in perch. Again, toby doesn't know my position on this matter, I don't know his and we. We definitely have a little insight to you, but we're getting to know you too, so it's going to be a great conversation. I like to get started and I'm older so I need assistance, so I'm going to bring out my glasses.
Speaker 1:This is something that I read and you hear. At the time when I read this it wasn't it's common places. It is now this conversation, but since the pandemic it's been more of a topic. It's. It says two meta analysis from Bremen Young University revealed that loneliness and social isolation may cause a risk in premature death by 50%. And this study loneliness rank higher than cigarettes and obesity when it comes down to our health. And I posed the question, and my question and I'll throw it out to the both of you is I'm going to start off with a really simple and basic question why do we not believe these studies and the things we we read when it comes down to loneliness and its effect on our health and our wellbeing? Why is it taken so lightly, still with all the data that's out there.
Speaker 3:Okay, would you?
Speaker 2:like me to go for it.
Speaker 3:Let's dive deep now.
Speaker 1:Let's not start off in a kiddie pool. Let's just jump in to and again before let me back up before I put that out there again. I'm just, it's just a question that I'm posing. It's just our thoughts and our opinion and our perceptions. I'm definitely not a doctor, but I think we always just have our perch, our vision and the way we see things.
Speaker 3:Totally so. Yes, loneliness and isolation is. It's at an all time high, which is very ironic because we've never been more connected. So it is an and we are evolved in. You know, there's two aspects to us. We have that higher consciousness that we're really starting to become aware of, and then we have our very animalistic side. So, in survival, evolution of humanity, we have evolved in cultures, in community, in building together and this is why we've survived is our ability to work in community and work together. And now things have shifted where we're not having that same level of community. We're very isolated into even the family units themselves are isolated, and so the thing is I'm not so sure it's that people don't believe it's happening. They don't know what to do about it. We're so ingrained in how we've been living that it's like we're going, we're digging this deeper and deeper hole and, as you've noticed, there's a huge increase in mental wellness concerns.
Speaker 1:Can I ask a question though? And I'm sorry, toby, to cut you off, because you said something and then you said it. It gave me pause and then you kind of elaborate it, but I think it a lot may miss what you said, because you said now, today, we are more connected. So how do you define connection? Because again, you just said and went on to say the ways, we are kind of disconnected. So when you say we're more connected, I know what you're saying, but I think for our audience let's dig a little deeper with that.
Speaker 3:Sure. So with our evolution in technology which is amazing because it's helped us evolve very quickly and that we have this connection we're now a worldwide community, in a sense, where it's like we can see into the lives of people that live across our planet. And so we have this level of connection through our technology, and at the same time, it's a double-edged sword. It also creates a sense of isolation and this feeling of not necessarily fitting in, because what we see on social media is only one small aspect of a person's life, and so, again, we need to say that again yes, Now.
Speaker 2:What they said during COVID, though, was that this was like an introvert's best time ever, because introverts love the fact that they didn't have to interact with people. This is amazing. This is incredible, and then, obviously, the extroverts in us were like this is horrible For all intents and purposes, is now under control. We can't say it's gone away, but and all of a sudden, we now emerge out. Why haven't we reconnected and been able to fight that off? Is it because the world has changed enough that people aren't going back to work, or people are working remotely? I saw something the other day that said that the expectation is that very few companies will ever go back to full time in the office. Is that part of the problem as well?
Speaker 3:I would say that it's part of the problem but also creating a solution. So, as human beings, when we get uncomfortable with something, we're talking about it out loud. We're already creating solutions. The fact that we're on here on a platform, having this conversation out loud, shows that the problem is being addressed and, as human beings, we're now putting solutions into place. So I'm seeing huge things more kind of in the community that I spend time with. I spend time with a lot of shamans, plant medicine practitioners, really esoteric spiritual teachers, and so from kind of being in the depths with people like that, you can see these communities building and coming up. There are tribes coming out of the Amazon and traveling all around Western Canada teaching their ways that they have kept for themselves all like for millennia.
Speaker 2:So to that end, you see people moving away from conventional medicine and more towards these what would you call them tribal approaches and solutions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we're actually seeing a crossover. So it's not or it's, and our conventional medical system has some amazing things going on, so it's like don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And it's also the holistic side does very well with chronic conditions, things that are repetitive, and whereas the medical system is really good with acute situations, they're like you need a surgery, this is an emergency, let's go, they are so good at that. And then on the other side, we have all these technologies that interact with our body. When we look at our body as a technology, we have these supercomputers in us. That's what we are, and so, of course, there's parts in nature that's evolved with us and can help benefit us and help us upgrade our soft technology. So they go hand in hand. Human beings are amazing, so there's definitely changes happening. It's just connecting with them.
Speaker 1:That is and I have to say this because as soon as you said it, it landed so heavily for me Something so simple, I think it's, it's not, or it's, and see, and I think, and when he, when he posed the question, the first thing that the land of my spirit is that our perception is our reality, and we can take that and paint a wood of barbers your perception is your reality. So now, even that's why reality television is now- calm down, breathe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people believe it's real. That's why we see things that happen in political fronts or whatever. Even though the facts are right there, it's what we perceive it to be. So to relate that to mental health is and this is what and I don't want to get too deep too fast, because this is really where I want to go with this is because how do we change? Because to me, I think that's at the core of the movement behind of this.
Speaker 1:Because it is a movement, because it's for so long Our brain and our emotions and our well being has kind of been an afterthought.
Speaker 1:You know, we focus on our physical, our bodies, because that's what takes us to work and and provides our, our needs, so we can get food, clothes, shelter and all that. So it's, the perception has to change and that's why I said we have to look at it as a necessity in order to change the perception. And I mentioned this to Toby a while back. I said I remember when the AIDS epidemic was rampant and the perception was that it was, it was a gay disease or it was that, and the perception that was out there. So people thought if I'm not this, then I won't get it If I'm not this, so I am fine. And even though the reality is we saw millions of people dying, it didn't resonate until in America, one of the biggest athletes, max Johnson, announced it. And then people like wait, what you know? Now the perception has changed, what it looks like and what it's the symbolic of has changed, and that's how we change the narrative.
Speaker 2:But I have a bigger question to ask, and I mean, and again, bigger than what we've been talking about, bigger than life.
Speaker 2:Oh my Lord, it's, it's, it's huge, huge. Anyway, I can't, so never could, but anyway, the idea is I'm a little confused. Okay, I'm a little. I'm a man, I think I'm very simple, happy meal terms. But our life on earth has never been easier than it is today. Okay, we have so many technologies, we drink most of us clean water, we eat safe food, we live in homes that are safe from natural disasters, we have basically the most modern ecosystem and infrastructure we've ever had. We don't worry about dying of food poisoning more often than not. We don't worry about, for the most part, dying of poverty or dying of those types of things. And you look back at the 1600s and 1700s and 1800s, and yet we're more depressed now than ever. Help me understand that.
Speaker 3:Sure, I'd love to.
Speaker 1:And then I have two sins, but I'll, she's got the PhD, she gets to go first. And I have a degree in common sins too.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know about that. Everyone has the you took a pass failed.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, I'm good. And so this is the thing. Human beings are super weird because we have this prefrontal cortex and it makes us aware that we're aware we have a few genetic things going on that are different than any other animal on the planet, and so it's really interesting. We have this super brain it's amazing and also we have this animal brain that we've evolved with, and Dr David Hawkins had one of the top psychiatry practices in the US and he explains the brain like this, and I love it.
Speaker 3:So remember when there was a horse and buggy and everyone was going along with the horse and buggy and it was going great, perfect for the era. And then what came in the car? Well, the car replaced the horse and buggy. It's like this is better. Well, it's like we have this horse and buggy brain hanging out. And then we got this Lamborghini and instead of getting rid of the horse and buggy, we strapped the Lamborghini to the horse and buggy.
Speaker 3:And so what is it is is we are in a constant state of stimulus in our current society and we will move through this, but it's awareness we are receiving.
Speaker 3:At one point in time, the number was 2000 times more stimuli than even our grandparents were, and so, in fact, this is the number it's probably increased since then just the amount of stimulus we have coming in.
Speaker 3:So what happens is is our animal brain kicks in because and constantly goes into this alert alert, you know, because there's all the stimulus coming in and what happens is that part of the brain physically gets stronger, and so then instead of us thinking out of this beautiful really connected to our higher consciousness and faculties, and it can function without the animal brain, no problem, the animal brain's like.
Speaker 3:You need me help and we're in trouble and all these things that aren't. Like you said, life is easier than ever and yet we are more bombarded than ever with all of the stimulation coming in that the animal brain has now become fortified and our thought systems run through the animal brain. So what we need to do is interrupt it, bring us back into our logical thinking, and then what will physically happen is our free prefrontal cortex will get stronger and stronger, starts taking over, we start feeling better, we start making better decisions and, onward and upward, you start making better decisions about how you take care of your body and start appreciating the life you're living in. But it's all about clearing that channel and having us operate on our higher faculties.
Speaker 1:So now, since you judge me and I'm going to give. I was going to say the exact same thing.
Speaker 2:Oh stop, you had no animal brain talks going on.
Speaker 1:But I'm going to state in a layman's terms what I'm going to say was exactly what you said, very simplistically Too much is given, much is required.
Speaker 1:We have much more now than we ever have as far as access, things to do. People have more jobs now than they've ever had before. It's all these distractions, all of these things where, when life was simple, you had to figure out when was a good time to harvest, when the sun was up and when you couldn't. I mean you have two basic get up and work in the fields, and the weather was determined if you could work all day and when you could work. But then you take in all of these distractions and complications and all of these things that we've been given and money and how to make money, and everything around us is saying more, more, more and everything around us saying you don't have enough and you don't have enough when it has. It's overwhelming when it comes down to even our kids in school and grade it's higher and more. And income it's more and prices are higher and groceries are higher. So it sounds like.
Speaker 2:What you're saying is that it's somewhat of an exercise. We have to control a portion of our brain, otherwise we'll never be satisfied, we'll never be gratified, because it doesn't matter how good technology gets. We can go to AI and have robotics and have, you know, servants take care of us and all of those types of things. But until we understand that we've got this, as you call it, an animal brain that takes us back and gives us that fear or trepidation, is that what brings on depression?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, and you know there's several factors that bring on depression. But yes, that's what's going on, is what happens? Is you get in this brain-body cycle. This is why so many people are becoming chronically physically ill and mentally ill. They go hand in hand. You know, if you have illness in the body, you have illness in the brain. It's just how it goes. Inflammation goes through our whole bodies, and so that's the biggest thing is when we learn how to restructure the brain.
Speaker 3:Naturally, you become more spiritual. You just do because you're connected to your higher faculties, and whatever spirituality looks to a person is going to be different. Someone might call it their subconscious, they might call it tapped into source, they might call it God, and regardless, you become more tapped into it. And this is how we make changes in the world, because people that are living in joy and peace and a feeling of abundance, they really don't feel the need to lash out at others, cause harm or do any. You know, because it's like they're having a great time, and so then your level of empathy and compassion increases too. So it really is an internal process.
Speaker 3:We're constantly looking to that outside help. And you know what? Sometimes we don't know what we don't know. We need an outside perspective, like we're talking about here. Different perspectives, all these different perches will when we have these conversations. It's another piece to our puzzles and each one of us are going to master different aspects at different times, and so that's why, you see, people are super wealthy. They made it, they caught the golden carrot right and they get there, they have holding this carrot and they're like damn, I'm still here.
Speaker 2:Still depressed you know, let's say, money can't buy you happiness Like shit.
Speaker 1:And I'm glad you, with intention, define you said spirituality and spirit but then you define it as people don't realize what you just said it could be exercise. Some people say when I work out I feel my best, I'm lighter, I feel more patient, you know. So it's different for everybody. On whatever that thing is that centers you, that keeps you connected to source, that when all this is going on around you you don't lose who you are. That's the spirit.
Speaker 2:So let me ask if and I don't know if this is something you do in your regular practice do people come to you for assistance in terms of how to deal with things like anxiety or depression or things like that? Is that a regular occurrence?
Speaker 3:Yes, so I used to have a private practice and now I work only with women who are experiencing autoimmune conditions, so I went really specific. But yes, I've worked with many different people. That more specifically, on the mental health side of things the thing is, is when someone's living with an autoimmune condition, like guaranteed they're also working through anxiety and depression.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of a chicken in the egg, right, you feel lousy, which makes your mind feel terrible, which makes you feel, so it's kind of this rolling ball.
Speaker 3:It's a catch 22. Yeah, it's a disease feeding the mind's, feeding the body, the body's feeding the mind. The nervous system can't get out of fight or flight, and so then now the cells are holding toxins and then it's sending alerts to the brain and then the brain's firing and making that animal brain stronger and stronger than the brain's releasing neurochemicals. It's telling the cells to downregulate. Catch 22 in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2:It sounds like a downward spiral. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So we can also flip that into an upward spiral.
Speaker 2:So how do you do that?
Speaker 3:There's a yen, there's a.
Speaker 2:Give us some yeah.
Speaker 1:So one thing before we get there, because I really that's thank you for the law, because I was going there. But I do want to share a little of my story. When you talked about and I have an autoimmune disease which I have, I'm a little bit witness to it and I do want you to talk about that in greater detail because I remember when, right after I was diagnosed and my body was just shutting down and next thing I knew one day thought it was cancer. I said I had an oncologist, I had a gastrologist, and then I was going, I was seeing four different doctors at one time and a minute when I knew I was just talking about cutting open my head. I was like wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:Something in me said let me work on my mind first. Let me just clear some of the stress, some of the anxiety off and think like, see my way through, because it's a difference when you know, not that I don't listen to doctors, because I do, but I knew that I was spiraling, you know. And from that I was like how did I go from being perfectly healthy and working to now I can't even get out of bed? And I started doing the mental work. So now I'm sorry that was the law back to you to talk a little more about that and its effect on the brain.
Speaker 3:Yes, so that's it. So essentially I look at the mind as part of the body. It's one organism. There's actually several minds in our body. This one just chats so much it thinks it's in charge. That's right it's not I think that's a different dynamic.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3:And so, oh my gosh. So really it's all about clearing that so that they operate properly and in harmony with one another. And so it is. It's like that chicken and egg thing. It's like when you're first starting it's the tiniest bit of wiggle room. You're just doing everything you can. It takes a lot of energy and it really is a step by step process. And that process it has a lot of the same tools, but it's going to be unique for each person, because each person has a unique story, they have a unique experience, they have a unique genetic makeup.
Speaker 3:It's like there's so many pieces to the puzzle so you can't really just say do this, this and this. It is a step by step process, but the pieces do involve what we eat for sure, because you know, when you even just think about it logically, when we're eating foods that's easy for our bodies to digest, that provides extra energy and resources to go elsewhere in the body for repair. So that piece is important. And then also good rest is important, and that's again when you're in a mental health state or physical health state, it's really difficult to get good sleep, like really difficult. Yeah, I know, and so yeah, and it's like really ultimately, the first step that's very important is flipping the nervous system from that fight or flight state into the parasympathetic state, because then it's communicating with your body, saying, okay, we're safe, it's, we're at peace, and the cells can start releasing some of this buildup of neuropeptides and toxins that it's been holding. Because the cells won't release that stuff well when it feel, when the body feels like it's in survival mode.
Speaker 3:So, and that's how things work with animals, when you see a deer out in the wild, it gets chased by a predator. If they get away, you will see them later running, sitting on, lying on their sides and running it out and shaking it out of their bodies. They shake their cells clear. Wow, because they've now flipped into a relaxation state. Yeah, and so as humans, we do that in a different way, because we overthink everything, and so our bodies can hold that for years. That's how intelligent our bodies are, and so then we end up. Our cells end up producing not the best DNA. It ends up. This is why these symptoms start showing up, because the DNA isn't being healthy, strong DNA isn't being produced by the cells.
Speaker 2:So, Kristen, what are some of the mechanics behind this? Are we talking about meditation? Are we talking about exercise? I mean, one of the things that I like this approach because I've always been very anti-medication. I think that sometimes our society, we just want to have a pill for it. Right, Everything we have a pill for. So what's the mechanics to do some of the things that you're talking about? Exercise the demons.
Speaker 3:If you will Totally, totally. And to add to that too, yes, with medication sometimes it's the answer temporarily. I find it depends on the person. It's up to them totally and how they feel about it. And also that's more of a short-term relief, long-term pain kind of thing, right. And so what we want to go for is short-term pain, long-term gain you go through, so that you can have a lifetime of results and experiences, like willing to face all the things. And the biggest thing is awareness. It really is in just paying attention, and that is the number one step. It is first step with anything, because when you start paying attention to your thoughts without even doing anything about them, you start going huh, is that true? And Byron Katie is someone who really refers to this a lot, where she said the only form of suffering is unquestioned thoughts, and so that's where we really want to get there. Yeah, isn't it? She is a wonderful 10 out of 10. Recommend for anyone who is interested in learning how to question their thoughts and question reality, because exactly that perspective is huge.
Speaker 1:That's a great point and I think that's something that we need to challenge our viewers to do it with Perch, because I was just having this conversation. I remember when I was I'd never been through depression, didn't know what it was, and then it was out of nowhere. I had this heavy cloak and I was aware of it, but I couldn't get it off. It was like how do I come out from under this? And I remember getting a life coach and she said and this goes back to what you said about the animals on what they do after predators and she said to me she said, trisha, she was like you are going to need to see some evidence of change and I think that that's important Like when they took the moment to shake it off. She was like something so small. And she asked me she goes well, what did you do before you depressed? Something little that you would love to do again? I said you may not believe this. I said, but I'm kind of silly, I like to laugh. She had never experienced it. If I could just laugh again. So she said make a note. And she literally had me write out an envelope and write my name on it and my writing. And she goes when I see you smile again, I'm going to send it to you and I completely forgot about it.
Speaker 1:Months later I checked the mail and I was like this person writes like me. I didn't realize, but it's that thing. That's what we need. We need to have a self-awareness to check in to say you know what, you are getting better, you are changing. You are Because if we don't start with the little things, we wait on the like it's human nature to wait on a seismic shift Like let's wait on a lottery ticket or windfall is something to take me out of this. No, we need to start looking at the little things that we do in life to hold on and wait and do the work to get to the bigger change.
Speaker 3:But yes, and this brings us full circle to our sense of you know that loneliness and isolation into community and support. This is where things are really shifting and, like you said too, I am all about coaches. Now. Any aspect I'm trying to master, I go straight to the person who's already mastered it. I'm like I know that that's going to be the best investment. I've invested in all kinds of weird things and then when I finally started investing in myself and developing my own skills or understanding things, oh my gosh, my life took off. Can?
Speaker 1:you say that again. That really brings things both right here. Here you are a woman and then I'm gonna have Toby. This is so great we're gonna wrap and have to get back because we haven't even scratched the surface. But here you are, a highly educated woman that have all this and your first response is I'm going to go to a coach, I'm going to go to whatever issue I'm having, to the expert in that area and again, I'm a firm believer too. I say it all the time.
Speaker 2:The other thing I was just making note is you were saying obviously it's great to have a coach to help you with these things, but I watched the other night here in the States they have a program called 30 for 30 and they had one on Jim Valvano. And I don't know if you know the story of Jim Valvano, but he was a well-decorated, recognized basketball coach in college basketball coach who contracted cancer and he basically, in the dying days of his life, put together, did a speech and basically said you know, cancer can take my body, but it'll never take my mind, it will never remove me from what I am. And he created a foundation to fight cancer.
Speaker 2:Years later, another commentator here in the States by the name of Stuart Scott contracted cancer and his story was don't suffer alone, you know. Bring people with you, reach out to your family, reach out to your friends, let them help you. You know they're safe, there's there's comfort in numbers. So, to your point, you know, if people are going through this, the first thing that they should do is probably reach out to people to try to get that help to connect right, because the moment you disconnect, you're causing yourself more damage. Am I onto something? Yeah, all right, I'm a genius.
Speaker 3:Totally not, and it's often to. People will isolate themselves while they're going through it and then they wait till they pop out the other side and then tell their story. And this is where we coming back into community with each other, in that we share in those experience. We're not only just sharing in the joy of life and the good times, we're also sharing in those points where we really are. We really need the support, we really need the help. It's it takes so much longer to go through something alone, stumbling through the dark, than it does to have someone who's already flipped the whole white system onto the warehouse and can be like look at this, this is what that does, this is what this button does. You know, it's just like so much easier. It's like don't go through anything alone, no matter what. There's always a way to connect with other people, and we're we're demonstrating that right here, right now.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I thank you. We are going to break. We have to talk about this again. We have to pick this up. We have so much to unpack. We also have your information out there on our site and our information so they can contact you and get with you, but I think I think this is too much information not to end on this note.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter I know we mentioned coaches and profession. We all need each other, you know. Find someone and that's why it's important, when we go through things, to share our stories, even if it's just a friend, a neighbor, someone. If I can share my story and be transparent and help someone else to come in behind me, this is how we heal. You know we reach out and we ask for help. If we were hungry, we wouldn't starve to death. We would say you know I need food. You know if we were thirsty. So we need each other. Let's be honest about it. Let's say we need each other. Let's not go through this alone. Thank you again, perch Family, thank you so much, looking forward to talking about this more. We have a lot to get in. Thank you all. Have a good day.
